Dambisa Moyo on China's Role In Africa

[puckhead103]

you are suggesting that china is some kind of god send to africa.. i provided evidence that they are in fact just in it to exploit africa like every other foreign interloper..they treat africans poorly in china.. and they have taken a hold in some countries.. corrupting officials through bribery to gain access to resources......... africans dont need cheap chinese products..they need self sufficiency....something they will never have if they are always looking for a savior in the form of self serving foreigners.. not feeling the bs..

i think you are right....

i think china is emulating what american companies have been doing for the last two, to three decades...

move to countries that supply the cheapest labor and have access to valuable natural resources such as oil....

Stop hating on China and make your own dayam SCHOOLS so that Africa don't NEED China for shit.

thats easier said than done, bro.....

[puckhead103]

Following are quotes from Africans and Chinese about the presence of Chinese workers. Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi is one of the few African leaders to have expressed public reservations about China's presence.

ALGERIA

-- Mohamed Badi, an engineer for a Chinese building firm:

"The Chinese are very competitive. They are well disciplined. Algeria has saved time by granting Chinese companies contracts to carry out some projects."

-- Hanane, an employee at a state bank:

"The Chinese are taking advantage of the absence of European companies. For example, the majority of dams and housing units are being built by Chinese investors. They would not have been assigned those projects if they had Western competitors here."

-- Farid Kayer, a worker in the informal currency market:

"Some Chinese people in Algeria have started promoting their country's products. Several shops have been opened to sell Chinese cloth. This phenomenon is new for us. We are waiting to see the outcome of this invasion."


LIBYA

-- Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, speech in May 2008:

"Nowadays, the Chinese communities are in every African country: The plan is to take some of its population and put them in Africa, while Africans just look on and African leaders hold fruitless meetings."

MOROCCO

-- Chinese trader in Casablanca:

"Business is good. Our wares are cheap, cheaper than the Moroccans sell and that is what the people want. The Moroccans sell the same bags as us but for 40 dirhams ($5.4). We sell them for 25. I have a house in China and a house in Morocco. I can be frustrated in Guangzhou or frustrated in Casablanca, it makes no difference to me."

-- Moroccan trader Karim:

"The Chinese make 3 dirhams on the items they sell. The Moroccans want to earn 10 dirhams. They (Chinese) are the cheapest and that's what makes their reputation.

-- Haberdashery owner Azzeddine Lahlou:

"The Chinese have smashed prices and there's no more margin. Everyone knows how they work. Morocco is a poor country so the Chinese presence is good for people who find it hard to make ends meet. But the quality of what they sell is not great."

"The problem is my Moroccan competitors now buy from China. I went there myself many times but what they were selling didn't interest me. My goods are better quality, with a superior finish."

TANZANIA

-- Nicholas Mgaya, deputy secretary general of umbrella group Trade Unions Congress of Tanzania:

"To be frank, the Chinese influx is a menace to this country. I think we have to look at it afresh. We don't say 'don't come'. Let those whose expertise is not available come."

"They take over jobs that should be done by the locals. For example, in the construction sector where you find the majority of the Chinese, you would find people like supervisors, masons and carpenters being employed.

"We consider this very unfair. We feel it is a situation where Tanzanians are being denied employment on the pretext that the Chinese are experts."

-- A senior Tanzanian government official who declined to be identified:

"The policy of the Tanzanian government is to employ foreigners who will offer training to Tanzanians. But the tendency we have seen is that many end up here on a long-term basis."

ZAMBIA

-- Goodwell Kaluba, the general secretary of the National Union of Mining and Allied Workers (Numaw):

"Our employees demand their labor rights to work for eight hours in a day, but the Chinese laborers can work for 12 hours without complaining. So they (Chinese firms) prefer to use their people, claiming they have some deadlines to meet."

-- Commerce and Trade Minister Felix Mutati, defending the government's policy on the employment of the Chinese:
"The Chinese have the technology, the speed and they are cost-effective. The UK finds it cost-effective to use the Chinese for (construction), so why should we be left behind? We better fly with the rest of the world."

looks like some african countries might need a new idi amin to kick those chinks out.....

[ABDURRAHIMKHALIL]

How is china helping to produce independence for african people when they are exploiting their own people in china? How are we so naive in 2012. Has history taught us nothing. China is amassing land and property in Africa and aren't even offerring the best jobs to the african people. They are taking the resources and profits back to china to benefit themselves. They are no better or different than the americans and europeans.

[Sami Ra Maati]

She has a good theoretical knowledge of economics but when it comes to applying economic theory to the interface between politics, economics and the 400+ year old ONGOING campaign of european & american rape of Afrika's natural resources, she's out to lunch.

[Sami Ra Maati]

How is china helping to produce independence for african people when they are exploiting their own people in china? How are we so naive in 2012. Has history taught us nothing. China is amassing land and property in Africa and aren't even offerring the best jobs to the african people. They are taking the resources and profits back to china to benefit themselves. They are no better or different than the americans and europeans.

Tru' dat.

The difference between euroamerican and Chinese involvement in Afrika is as follows:

euroamerican: rape, plunder, slavery and genocide while bringing nothing of value to Afrika
Chinese: rape of Afrika in exchange for dinner and a movie

[missd28339]

How is china helping to produce independence for african people when they are exploiting their own people in china? How are we so naive in 2012. Has history taught us nothing. China is amassing land and property in Africa and aren't even offerring the best jobs to the african people. They are taking the resources and profits back to china to benefit themselves. They are no better or different than the americans and europeans.

thank you....

[mivoyce]

i hope the african countries is on course to invest in the people from their returns with China that will help their economies and educate the people.

[hooubee4646]

 The west includes China today. Africans have to take their own future into their own hands and quit relying on outsiders to save them. Hard to believe after centuries, it finds itself in a state of hel lessness and des eration. Africa is westernizing itself more and more each day. We always seem to come from a destination of being unable to  romote, demand and benefit. As many African born educated folks that are schooled in every western school worldwide, the same crisis abounds for HUNDREDS of years. Something is very wrong with this icture. Chinese dont even care much for their own, so where the hell is love and the best interest for these foreign Black folks come from. They are in it for their own greedy interest to control, mani ulate and ra e and  rofit just as the other interlo ers are allowed to do. Free Africans have to free themselves first and rise u as a nation to be res ected, not looking for someone to hold their hand while they aimlessly wander and emerge as the true gem they are. Until then, I dont think that Blacks will be truly free ANYWHERE! How does the jewelry store, that holds all of the riciest jewels, continue being the customer that is overcharged and robbed for their own isht. Something is very wrong!